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  1. #121
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    Hi everyone,
    sorry I've been a bit light on, but I've well a truely got a dose of the flu and I can't even think straight!

    Serves me right for going to a kids birthday party last week...the promise of fairy bread will get me everytime.

    Keep up the great work, it's amazing what has been accomplished in such a short time.

    See you when I surface...chicken soup coming up!

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    Mouse, sorry you are feeling bad.

    Here's hoping you get well soon!

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    Ta, I heard it was going to be a bad one this year but thought I almost made it through winter...

    Don't know whether the flu brought it on but I had a nightmare that I woke and turned the puter on and there was surf again...woooo kinda like "they back"
    Talk soon off to have a pity party

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    Their educational campaign, of course, is not entirely altruistic. They hope by learning about the potential problem, which they explain on their Web site www.poachware.com, companies will come to them for software consulting services. In a recent letter to California Bank and Trust, for example, the pair [who own poachware.com] offered their services for a consultation fee of $6,000.

    Company officials contacted Monday say they ignored NewTech Advisors' warning because they thought it was simply a sales pitch.
    Dave,

    I just read this article from some San Diego news organization. This kind of thing is frustrating to read, I have also heard that the above site is being spammed all over the place in order to generate consulting fees under the disguise of this cause we are discussing.

    I don't know about you, but I don't like that much.

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    I also believe that this new Gator lawsuit against the IAB is what many of us have been wanting, this lawsuit is the first test to determine the legality of this type of software and if the judge doesn't give Gator it's "legal endorsement" that it is seeking then this will open the door to make it officially declared "illegal" in another suit.

    Also, if Gator does not get its sought after "declaration of legality" then that will be a powerful message to future copycats today, far more powerful than anything we can give I think.

    I think this Gator suit, even though it is "in reverse" from what many of us wanted, is the type of affirmative action that will get this cause inked into the law, and precedents established.

    Do you agree that this suit makes any other suit moot for the time being, or do you disagree dave?

    The way I see it, Gator is less infringing on our rights than TopText, so if even the "less infringing" Gator software cannot be declared "legal" then TopText will have the flood gates opened on them in a major way I believe. If Gator is not "legal", TopText will be all but target practice after that.
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    I cannot comment on the poachware site, I have seen the name on a few forums, and it was kind of spam like so I have never looked any furthur. I would not be happy if that is the case, but what can we do. There are always going to be people that are only after a buck, people are always trying to capitalize on others misfortunes so why should this be any different.

    Regarding Gator, I see it as a bluff in an attempt to get the IAB to lay thier cards on the table. I also think the IAB is more than ready to call thier bluff, and it will backfire on Gator. I am not sure how it will affect the toptext/surf+ breed, but I will say if gator wins we are in trouble.

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    Hi everyone...yes I know should be in bed..but had to check the mail..you know how it is, I have this vision of me one day being an old lady with a drip in one arm and a mouse in the other...
    Anyway , in the email sitepoint has joined the fight
    here is the link if anyone wants to see where they're up to

    http://sitepointforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=233827&t=9151#post233827

    Bye for now
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    Hi everyone...yes I know should be in bed..but had to check the mail..you know how it is, I have this vision of me one day being an old lady with a drip in one arm and a mouse in the other...
    Anyway , in the mail sitepoint has joined the fight
    here is the link if anyone wants to see where they're up to

    http://sitepointforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=233827&t=9151#post233827

    Bye for now
    Last edited by HTML; 03-20-2007 at 01:25 PM.

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    Lightbulb A technical way to kill scumware instantly.

    This group looks like a bunch of reasonable, enthusiast people -- so I ask your opinion on this midnight idea...

    As you know by now, the technical battle with scumware is uneven today.
    We use silly Web page scripts to counter scum software running on the system level. We're bound to what Internet Explorer allows us to do, and Toptext/Surf+/Gator can use all system-level capabilities. They can slip out of our tied hands with ease. Surf+ has recently demonstrated that.

    I'm thinking about striking them on the same level like they struck us.
    I submit a motion to build a one-click TopText/Surf+/Gator uninstaller for use on Web pages. Its behavior will closely resemble Toptext's Web installer's.

    • In contrast to manual uninstallation directions, an uninstaller ActiveX is NOT frightening for users or hard to follow (i.e. one mouse click)
    • In contrast to uninstaller tools (Morpheus's, Ad-aware), users do NOT have to download, save, start and fiddle them out. It happens from a Web page, and one mouse click.
    • In contrast to link killer scripts, the uninstaller will completely get rid of scumware, and leave the browser in a better, cleaner, and more responsive state.
    • In contrast to scripts, you as a Web master have to talk the user in pressing 'yes, please uninstall'.


    I truly think this will get us, Web publishers, back in control (with a little cooperation of the user).
    What do you think? Want me to elaborate even a bit more?
    I got the technical expertise, and may jump into this project if sufficient people consider it viable.

    RockinFewl -- WhirlyWiryWeb.com

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    JE - I don't think we can stop what we are doing and rely on the IAB/Gator suit to get us out of this. We have to remain active and get this into the mainstream media and on legislative desks. We can't stop and wait for someone else to fix this for us.

    Dave - you're right, of course, if Gator wins *any* part of their suit, webmasters are in serious trouble.

    Rockin Fewl - yes, yes, yes! Please, we will put the one link opt out on every site dedicated to this.

    Food for thought, how about a "Plugin detection" tool too; just something to detect ALL plugins installed in the browser? I think a nominal fee program for ~$10.00 for something like this and every webmaster will buy it. If we can detect plugins, we can get a leg up on new and different monsters like this stuff as soon as it starts to hit. Just give me a list of plugins installed, then it's my job to figure out what the plugin does and how to react to it. I'm sure development of something like this will take great effort and you deserve to be reimbursed for that.

    What you think folks?

    We've got a policitical project leader at wuas.org; someone who really knows how to build a grassroots organization. I spent a couple hours on the phone with him last night and have a major TO DO list today. Watch for lots of new stuff on the wuas.org website this afternoon.

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    Re: A technical way to kill scumware instantly.

    Originally posted by RockinFewl
    I'm thinking about striking them on the same level like they struck us.
    I submit a motion to build a one-click TopText/Surf+/Gator uninstaller for use on Web pages. Its behavior will closely resemble Toptext's Web installer's.

    I truly think this will get us, Web publishers, back in control (with a little cooperation of the user).
    What do you think? Want me to elaborate even a bit more?
    I got the technical expertise, and may jump into this project if sufficient people consider it viable.

    RockinFewl -- WhirlyWiryWeb.com

    Wow! what a great idea ...love to hear more!
    No matter what happens it's going to take time and this would certainly keep them on the run and at the same time get our message to the public.

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    Rockinfewl, It is great to see you here, welcome

    I think it would be a great idea. If all the webmaster-centric sites carried this script it would go along way in eradicating sleaze from the internet.

    I am not a programmer, but if there is anything I can do to help just shoot me an email.

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    More details

    Great you're all as wild about the idea as I am.

    More details to make the picture clearer, and more food for thought.
    • The uninstaller will be implemented as 2-3 small runtimes --- you can put those on your own server to relief mine.
    • You can invoke the uninstaller on the client by putting in your html page a tag like <object .... ></object>. No need to bloat your pages with Javascript. Clients have to have ActiveX enabled, but Javascript is not necessary.
    • The uninstaller will be 'signed', in that it is tamper-proof, and downloadable under the highest security conditions.
    • To sign it, I'll apply for a Thawte digital id, it's gonna cost $200, so yes some kind of reimbursement wouldn't be a bad idea.
    • Although it's perfectly possible to do, we'll have to restrict ourselves to not harm the client's privacy (I don't want to create a Trojan with our name on it; we are the 'white hats' remember).
    • I'll include some kind of 'updating' feature in the uninstaller to cope with mutating or new scumware.


    We'll get a real cat-n-mouse scenario. If the mouse takes a sharp bend, we'll make a bend just as sharp. Till we got all of them rodents.

    RockinFewl.

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    RockinFewl - have you got a PayPal account setup? We can do some kind of fundraising for you to get that certificate paid for immediately!

    Also, check out the equifax certs, I think they are cheaper; emphasis on THINK. Gosh, I hate that equifax site - even on DSL the menus take forever to load!!!

    Let me know what I can do to help.

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    Talking

    Your enthusiasm is exemplary Roxanne *wide grin*

    Yet before asking money, we'll try to meet high expectations.
    Depending on when the certificate arrives, first test runs of the uninstaller may be feasible half next week.

    A base team of quick and thorough alfa-testers by that time would seriously enhance the reliability of the scum sweeper.

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    Folks, just hang onto your hats for a couple of days....we're got some political web sites that are being defaced badly by these guys (Surf+ especially). The legislators are mad now; one senate web site linked to porn.



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