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    Website usability

    I had considered writing a tutorial on website usability or surfer friendly websites if you will. Since this is an area that is really made up of opinions and very little black and white, I felt the best thing would be to create an topic in which you can share your views.

    You do not have to be a pro webmaster to have ideas of what turns you off of a website, so this is a great place for the shy members (as well as the more experienced) to chime in.

    If you have examples of webpages that are good or bad post away, but please out of respect for your fellow members post why your opinion is what it is, if neccessary post warning in bold

    example:

    I do not like:
    prowrestling.com warning this site uses massive popups as well as automatic gator downloads, if you visit this page please visit our Gator thread on these forums for the uninstall instructions!

    I like:
    http://css.somepeople.net/
    What I like about this site, graphics kept to a minimum, plenty of "white space" makes it easy to find exactly what I am looking for.

    This is not a thread to spam your own website, you may put your website in your profile and in your signature(no images in sigs please)

    There are 1700 members and 100s of guests everyday that can learn from you so do not be shy in posting, there is no right or wrong just opinions.
    Last edited by HTML; 03-20-2007 at 12:39 PM.

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    Am I the first to start this off? Not been a member for long but been using the Internet since 1996.

    I have no examples of good or bad, but here are my views..

    1. I like ease of navigation. The 3 click rule still holds up today.

    2. Please, NO pop up adverts or auto install programs like gator or Comet Cursor. The fewer people who use these, the better.

    3. I like good design and use of colors, small images that load quick. Gawdy sites, overly colorful make me cringe and I leave straight away.

    4. It is good to see regular updates to the site, new content makes visitors want to come back for more.

    5. I don't like being forced to join a site to get access. Only bulletin boards should do this type of thing. Signing up for access should only be needed if trying to access a 'payable' members area IMO.

    6. I don't like sites that go overboard with Flash, fancy javascripts, huge images or banners etc.

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    If I might use this "Post Reply" page as my example...
    Very clean page, easy to read, nice coloring.
    Good navigation panel.
    My criticisms are that it was so slow to load, it took about 15 seconds to load the "Post Reply" <Form> which to my mind is far too long to hang around on a page unless it has content that you really need..
    My second criticism is the "meat" of this page didnt start until you were half way down the screen, what a waste of viewable screen, forcing the viewer to use the scroll bar before they have even started to read or use the content of the page.
    Popups are a 'no no' on any site I never return to a site that delivers pop ups..
    And like "Nutrocker" why do they expect us to give up our email address just to view a website, I get enough junk mail as it is. I use a ficticious email address or I back off..

    regards Glenvern(UK)
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    Cool Safe Surfer

    Hi Dave

    A little challenge you have put yourself up for here.

    It's a very intresting subject, and I guess there will be almost as many opinions as members here at AHFB2000.

    A websites usability is to me often depending on what I am looking for. But as many I start out limit my choises with using searchengines. I preferraly use searchengines as Yahoo/Google, Altavista, DogPile, MSN, and I also use Mamma.com.

    So a visit to a certain site that fits my needs is often related to their short message on the searchengine. Often I am able to find what I am looking for this way.

    So it's important that the site is easy to find, easy to remember and have a content that you can relate to very fast.

    Sites that uses numerous pop ups I automatically click off again. Specially when I am looking for a particular subject/object/product. And if it starts a auto download of Gator, this site will be reported. And I will tell all my friends to stay away from this site, and recommend them to tell evryone else the same.

    Word of mouth is often a very reliable way to find user friendly sites. And when friends send me a site that they recommend me to check out, 9 out of 10 times I will do it.

    But like many others I use 'Free' programs like traffic rotation programs - surf for traffic - safelists etc..... Then you have to accept a wider range of programs. It's then a absolute must to read the Terms of policy to see what kind of sites/programs this 'Free' program accept. If it accept pop ups, gator, porn etc.. then when you have accept their policy, you have accepted to view these sites.

    I normally take a week or two to check the program out when I sign up for it. If it accepts accesive pop ups, and specially when there are programs that overwrite my favorites or home page settings I will sign off this program again.

    Personally I think when you get more experience with surfing your learn techniques to sort out the various kind of programs. We still use some of these programs, but we find ways to use them that don't annoy us.

    I know when I use programs like FFA, SafeList or Get Paid to read email, I will not use my private email or business email now.

    A surfer friendly site should be easy to navigate, have a clear message, not more than one pop up, clear colors, easy to remember....

    Well, Dave this was my little contribution..

    Wish you all the best with this challenge. Keep us updated.

    Greetings ShareInfo
    Last edited by ShareInfo; 09-23-2002 at 10:54 AM.

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    Search Engine Friendly Design

    Hi All! Great thread going here! Because I agree with all of the above comments regarding user friendliness, I thought I would add some info about search engine friendly design --


    Site Structure:

    -Keep all of your important pages in the root directory.

    -Name pages after important keyword phrases (After you have researched your keywords -- discussed later).

    -Name directories after important keyword phrases.

    -Include a site map that includes links to all of your pages. Include a keyword rich description for each link that is relevant to the page you are linking to.

    -Create a customized 404 page that fits the design of your main pages and includes links to all of your important pages -- especially your home page. An example of our own 404 page can be found here.

    Navigation:

    -Keep your navigation, to the right of your pages, in the middle or at the end of your pages. If you have your navigation on the left your page or at the top, this will be the first thing that a spider will see. You want your body text to appear to a spider before your navigation. Doing this will make your body text appear to be more relevant.

    -Navigation should be simple and easy to understand and hard to get lost within your site.

    -Heavily cross link all of your important pages.

    -Include a link to your home page on all of your pages.

    -When Creating Your Pages Always:

    -Make sure that your pages are compatible with all browsers 4.0 and above.

    -Create comfortable, appealing designs.

    -Be sure that your pages are neat, clean and organized.

    -Use high quality, optimized images.

    -Include a company logo.

    -Be sure that your pages are fast loading -- even on a 28.8k Pages should never exceed 75K

    -Include quality content within your site - Pages should contain from 200-1000 words. A good average is about 600 words.

    -Text should be easy to read.

    -Use text links as opposed to image links.

    -Make sure that there are no broken links in your site - monitor this regularly.

    -Include copyright information.

    -Include a contact page.

    You May Want To Consider:

    -Using Cascading Style sheets. By using CSS, you are specifying certain factors such as font, color, paragraph style, ect. all in one place of your page instead of throughout your page. By doing this, you will make your content appear to be more prominent throughout your pages. Keep in mind that all CSS is not compatible with the Netscape browser.

    Always Try To Avoid:

    -Excessive table useage.

    -Splash intro or welcome pages. Your home page will be the most important page of your site and should include quality content.

    -Flash - A majority of major engines will not index flash sites. Editors may be critical of heavy or slow loading flash.

    -Frames - Most major engines can not read frames. If you must use frames, include important body text within a <no frames> tag.

    -Animated graphics - Slows load time and can be annoying to some visitors, editors and spiders.

    -Heavy graphics - Slows load time.

    -Low quality graphics - editors will be very critical of this.

    -Sound - Slows load time and can be annoying to visitors and editors.

    -Dynamic features - Spiders can not crawly dynamic features such as a drop down menu.

    -Java Script - Spiders can't read JS and it gets in their way. Spiders can become confused by JS and it can make your important text appear to be less relevant. If you must use JS, move it to an external
    .js file.

    -Java Script Links - Spiders can not crawl links in Java Script.

    -Image Maps - Spiders can not crawl the links within image maps.

    -Spelling errors - Directory editors will be very critical of this.

    -Broken links - Spiders and editors will be very critical of this. Check this regularly.

    -Pop-ups - The will slow load time, confuse spiders and annoy editors and visitors.

    -HTML errors - Bad HTML will confuse spiders and cause browser compatibility issues.

    Hope that helps someone! Thanks for the terrific topic!!

    Dawn Rowlett
    Last edited by HTML; 03-20-2007 at 12:39 PM.

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    Angry it's ridiculous how some "sites" operate

    I really dislike a certain site. They are a children and young teen's site, and they have porn pop-ups, and all kinds of other crazy pop-ups. Kids and teens don't need to be looking at a woman's silicone breasts, or a man's medically enhanced penis. They need to be looking at the content of the site which is actually a fun site, if you can get past the pop-ups. Also, this site takes more than 2 minutes to download onto your screen. KIDS ARE IMPATIENT! Who on earth can actually expect them to wait for over 2 minutes, while something loads?!

    The url for this site is [edited]

    If they can't afford to have their own domain without porn pop-ups, then why have one at all? Get a free website, or one that costs little, but still has the amount of space that you need.
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    My pet hate is logging on to a web site and seeing the words `enter here`.
    I have already entered the site why should I have to do it again?
    Last edited by HTML; 09-28-2002 at 08:23 AM.

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    Great posts folks, I even took a slamming

    If I might use this "Post Reply" page as my example...
    Very clean page, easy to read, nice coloring.
    Good navigation panel.
    My criticisms are that it was so slow to load, it took about 15 seconds to load the "Post Reply" <Form> which to my mind is far too long to hang around on a page
    It is great to see you again Glenvern

    You may not have noticed if you were not logged in, but at the bottom of each thread is a quick reply box, you no longer have to click to post a reply. If a person is notted logged in or is a guest they do not see this, once logged in the box is immediatly following the posts.

    My second criticism is the "meat" of this page didnt start until you were half way down the screen, what a waste of viewable screen, forcing the viewer to use the scroll bar before they have even started to read or use the content of the page.
    Are you still referring to the post reply page or another?

    We are all learning from eachother folks so keep it goin

    Dave
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    One other thing I forgot to mention, when I created the poll I tried to post information relaying the fact that we are a tech group, as such we tend to have better technology ie cable/DSL. The numbers we see in the poll will reflect such but should still give a general idea.

    Dave
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    Dave..
    Yes I was still refering to the 'Post Reply' page (and I fear most web pages)... I had to scroll down in order to use this text box..

    As for using the quick reply box I didnt see it until I went down to submit my reply. I dont see it at all on this page and I am logged in.

    regards Glenvern..
    Glenvern

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    Dave,

    Just wrote a LOONG post and lost the cable connection the minute I sent it...bummer!

    Anyway, a heads up to anyone surfing around for free site templates+frames.

    I hit this site that was on the first page of google serps and after waiting for a few seconds while it was dragging out the loading Norton pops up and tells me the site is trying to set a backdoor trojan horse virus on my computer!!!

    I emailed googleguy at wmw as well as google itself but have heard nothing back and noticed the thing is still there.

    I am posting the url here but if it is not allowed Just snip it.

    I will be glad to email it to anyone interested....this sort of thing is disgusting to say the very least!

    http://www.eyeforbeauty.com/Linkware/journaltemp.html
    Nitewing
    Last edited by HTML; 09-23-2002 at 05:20 PM.
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    PS

    the URL is to stay away from if you do not have a reliable firewall!!

    PLEASE DO NOT VISIT IT!!!!!!!!

    nitewing
    Last edited by nitewing; 09-23-2002 at 04:43 PM.
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    Dang! Did I kill the thread or what.........

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    nitewing, I did make the URL unclickable. It sounds like one of what Google calls "bad neighborhoods" in which not to link to.

    I pushed the forums up to #7 for "webmaster forums" at google, I certainly dont want the penalty

    Dave

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    Admin warning issued

    we all like our own site, I am sorry you could make a meaningful contribution to the thread.
    Last edited by HTML; 09-23-2002 at 06:24 PM.



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